tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post1835862141936052589..comments2024-03-25T02:53:26.373-04:00Comments on Women in Crime Ink: My Anti-Fan-Fiction of Fifty Shades of Grey: When Christian killed AnaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-79867029143972693872013-06-17T10:45:23.339-04:002013-06-17T10:45:23.339-04:00First, I agree with you that FSOG is terrible. It...First, I agree with you that FSOG is terrible. It was originally Twilight fan fic, after all. Your insights about the poor relationship models are spot on, too. But please note that not all "subs" (submissive partners in BDSM play) are going into things with their eyes shut, like Ana, and good doms know how to keep it safe and consentual. FSOG models bad BDSM behavior, a sure sign the author has no idea what she's writing about.D.R. Bartlettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01673777183717923012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-71259578494011029572012-06-21T18:57:35.315-04:002012-06-21T18:57:35.315-04:00Mrs. Brown, COMPLETELY O.T. but because I do not &...Mrs. Brown, COMPLETELY O.T. but because I do not "do" Facebook I cannot react there on your page. Having read a lot on this school bus monitor, I can NOT help wondering WHERE this video came from. From what I've seen, it must have been one of the kids sitting on the other side of the isle. And HOW did this get then to the papers and tv stations? Perhaps you enlighten me.<br />Sincerely, ChâtelaineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-47266998329779484932012-06-20T09:23:25.993-04:002012-06-20T09:23:25.993-04:00Dear Anonymous with head in sand,
Your foolish cl...Dear Anonymous with head in sand,<br /><br />Your foolish claim that books have zero influence on readers is blatantly ridiculous. The Bible seems to have done a smashing job through the ages. And how many people say, "I just read this book and it really changed my viewpoint?" Fiction DOES have an impact as does film. And, if you are right, then all those advertising agencies are full of idiots...what is the point of advertising? It is just some fantasy presented about how cool shoes are or how tasty a cereal is.<br /><br />That YOU did not become a serial killer after reading a book about one is not a valid argument. First of all, the book likely wasn't glamorizing being a serial killer unless it was American Psycho (which did influence some to kill). FSoG is glamorizing hooking up with a pervert by telling women that if you determine he has a heart in his chest (which of course is only an illusion), you can end up with a fabulously rich man who is hotter than hell in bed and who will love you passionately forever. This WILL lower women's standards for dating men and will end up hurting them. What is most scary to me is that FSoG, in my opinion, presented Christian as a creepy guy, totally unappealing to me, yet I see women going gaga over him...ick....so what fantasy are they ramping up in their mind that making him a bit desirable? <br /><br />I will bet when someone's daughter comes home with a real-life version of Christian, Mom is not going to be happy. She will try to convince her daughter to dump him, she will refuse saying she can change him like Ana changed Christian, and her mother will end up picking out a pretty dress for her funeral.<br /><br />Yes, FSoG is just fiction, but, it will influence many, and, saddest of all, the love so many have for the book shows me women don't value themselves much if they think they should go out with sadistic stalkers and let themselves be humiliated and abused by them. Pretty sad,if you ask me.Pat Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15667909509324138003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-25320551274322579532012-06-19T21:06:33.981-04:002012-06-19T21:06:33.981-04:00A book is a book is a book. Reading a book does n...A book is a book is a book. Reading a book does not make one prone to engage in the activity. It is called fantasy. <br /><br />I read a book once about a serial killer and guess what, I am not one nor will I become one.<br /><br />So serious!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-86760546566957015952012-06-19T12:13:52.676-04:002012-06-19T12:13:52.676-04:00As victim of violence, I'm so glad to read Pat...As victim of violence, I'm so glad to read Pat Brown's column on this book. Thank you for speaking out. I don't think "50 shades of gray" should be banned, as that just seems to give things the intoxicating appeal of the forbidden. I do think that it should be laughed out of the bookstores by men and women publishing reviews exactly like the one Pat Brown has published. I'm waiting for a backlash that seems slow in coming, but I haven't given up hope. To all the women who feel violence will not be increased by this book, I hope you are right. And if you find the book erotic, that is fine too. But, unfortunately, I think Pat Brown's alternative ending to the story is also a realistic one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-18331698219851684002012-06-19T12:07:50.624-04:002012-06-19T12:07:50.624-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Christine Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13096401228301214220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-30839199163785553992012-06-18T17:48:53.824-04:002012-06-18T17:48:53.824-04:00I didn't cry. Which doesn't mean I wasn...I didn't cry. Which doesn't mean I wasn't moved. It's just that it brought back memories worse than this ...<br /><br />Do continue your cruisade, Mrs Brown.<br />Women [and men] still have to learn what's the best way of living and loving. My parents would always say "respect" is the keyword. Without disrespect - to the contrary - I would like to add: fulfillment within oneself and thus harmony in living with the "others".<br /><br />ChâtelaineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-67574843196453594592012-06-18T15:25:07.137-04:002012-06-18T15:25:07.137-04:00So glad I see some sense showing up here, Frannis ...So glad I see some sense showing up here, Frannis and Peanuts! It is truly frightening to see some many women giddy over this total crap. I fear that none of them have ever had decent lovemaking in their lives so since they find these awful sex scenes exciting. And, I fear they crave romance and validation of themselves that they would sell their soul to the devil to get it. If they only had some good input as to what man would be worth it, what good sex was, and what true romance is, maybe they wouldn't fall for this garbage. Even if such perfect men and perfect lovemaking don't exist that often in real life or we have to have to accept something a bit less awesome, at least if we fantasize about something, it should be something worth wishing for, not lowing our fantasy level into the toilet. <br /><br />Here are a few examples of what I think women might fantasize over (and I admit I am a big Shah Rukh Khan fan, so, yes, this is his stuff).<br /><br />Hot, sexy, and romantic? Should look more like this (ignore the comedy bits in the middle).<br /><br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC_FVbStbs0&feature=related<br /><br />An example of a man who REALLY loves a woman and is the kind of man we should dream of? Check these film clips out.<br /><br />The girl Raj just fell in love with turns out to have a fiance in Pakistan; check out his speech -<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rrH0HLjjNY&feature=related<br /><br />Total tearjerker! Aman's heart is failing. He falls in love with Naina (but doesn'tt ell her) who also falls for him, but he pretends he is married to Priya and pretends he is healthy but not interested (who is really his doctor) because he doesn't want to break Naina's heart when he dies. So he encourages her to marry Rohit, who also loves her. This is the scene when Naina finds out the truth. I dare you to watch it and not cry.<br /><br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6B6nPaw5LY&feature=relatedPat Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15667909509324138003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-36901710922547788242012-06-18T14:20:34.579-04:002012-06-18T14:20:34.579-04:00(continuation of previous comment)
Thank you fo...(continuation of previous comment)<br /> Thank you for speaking up. Sometimes I think we have lost our sense of logic in this world. I wouldn't want to be a young girl in the world of today. There are no guidelines for them. You are a shining beacon, and I'm grateful that you are the voice of reason in the quickly dissolving morality of this country. Thanks, Pat!! <3peanuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15183570752833434312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-58668055754837612332012-06-18T14:14:07.911-04:002012-06-18T14:14:07.911-04:00Pat, I just sent this article to my daughter and m...Pat, I just sent this article to my daughter and my 2 nieces. Thank you for speaking up and telling it like it really is. I have heard women talking excitedly about this book. I truly believe we ARE influenced by what we read; I heard some comments here that say otherwise. In the hands of a young woman, this book is truly dangerous. Older women, hopefully, wouldn't waste their time on it. You have seen personally what happens to women when they meet and begin a relationship with a man like Christian (an interesting name the author picked). You've seen the devastation that resultspeanuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15183570752833434312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-89517578465396754212012-06-18T13:51:14.166-04:002012-06-18T13:51:14.166-04:00Thank You, Pat Brown!!! This book has become a &qu...Thank You, Pat Brown!!! This book has become a "fav" of my girlfriends. After reading articles about the book and getting a picture of the story line from articles and the "raves" from my friends I was completely turned off. Your created ending makes much more sense! Women need to RUN from men like this!! I want you to know I am sending a link to your article to all my friends (all of which have daughters!!). Maybe they will rethink and have an important conversation with their daughters on avoiding men like this!Frannisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-67933377916616581932012-06-18T09:00:39.329-04:002012-06-18T09:00:39.329-04:00I also have read both Marquis DeSade's works a...I also have read both Marquis DeSade's works and The Story of O (and a bunch of other various books involving BDSM). What makes FSoG so much more dangerous than these two other famous books is the romantic story and happy ending. The Story of O may have a woman who is in love but she is basically terribly psychologically disturbed and is willing to allow her lover (later, lovers) to use her in any way they want and it makes her happy to sacrifice herself for their ultimate pleasure. This is a sick story about a sick woman and the sick men who use her. It is a titillating story for sadists to read. Likewise for the DeSade stories; they are about women being tortured for the pleasure of their master's. Their own pleasure is unimportant and, as a matter of fact, women GETTING pleasure ruins the whole damn point of s/m. If she is having a good time, the master is not doing enough to humiliate and torture her and THAT certainly is a waste of time, right, Sir?Pat Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15667909509324138003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-26445324535345714722012-06-18T08:50:53.364-04:002012-06-18T08:50:53.364-04:00BTW, before someone goes there on this comment boa...BTW, before someone goes there on this comment board, yes, I have suffered through reading all three books so I know exactly what they are about. First of all, they are all three horribly written and bored the hell out of me. I had to struggle through the dull story and endless unerotic sex scenes (I may never want to have sex again), and repetitive lines about Ana's inner goddess, her lip biting, and both of them rolling their eyes. <br /><br />The first book has the most sex, so often you just think, oh, god, they are rutting again, ugh. Christian is creepy from the start and through all three books, I never found him to be the slightest sexy; he made my skin crawl. Ana, an innocent virgin who seems as dumb as a rock about the world around her for someone in the last year of college whose mother married five times, doesn't know jack about anything and doesn't even have an email account. She jumps right into a relationship with a man who tells her right up front he is a sadist and likes to bind and torture women, wants her to sign a contract to have sex with him, and stalks her. Run, girl, run. But, no, she goes ahead and screws him, throwing caution to the wind because he is SO HOT. She believes every word he says to her about his emotions towards her even thought they just met a day or two ago. She has her first experience with s/m and she is turned on by it (but, of course, she has limits which she so willfully makes Christian follow::rolls eyes::)<br /><br />The second book has less sex though more experimentation with s/m which, of course, makes her have orgasm after orgasm (she never fails to have two or three each tryst...damn that Christian). But, the horrifying message of this book is that Ana can do with her love and fearlessness of staying with this scary man what his therapist couldn't do in years of therapy; change his personality disorder from sadistic sex predator to madly in love, willing to compromise, working hard to make his life better, opening up to her about his childhood trauma and having Ana fix it. <br /><br />The final book, the one with such a boring story I wanted desperately to get to the end, simply has them getting married and having a child and all is happy, happy happy at the end. Ana's frog has turned into the ultimate prince. See girls? You CAN turn a sick sadist into a silk purse.<br /><br />Droves of women are touting Christian as sexy and desirable and just LOVE how Ana used her strength to stand her ground and change the man. Everything we warm women about dangerous men is rip to shreds in this book and women are raving about how cool it is. Some will say it is just fantasy, but what they like about a fantasy involving a sick psychopath taking advantage of a young, naive, girl and that girl allowing herself to be humiliated, debased, and tortured for a hope of love and hot sex is a damnably sick message. And for every girl that might get magically lucky like Ana and have a happy ending to a relationship with a sadist, there are thousands who can tell you not running as fast as you can from a creepy bastard like Christian will cause you to have hell to pay in emotional and physical abuse and, possibly death.<br /><br />Maybe Book Four of the Ana and Christian story will have Ana trying to figure out how to escape Christian with her little children after he reverts back to his true nature. Can you just see her fighting to leave that sadistic, manipulative man who has such power and money? Yeah, good luck and laters, baby.Pat Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15667909509324138003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-89301810079299442112012-06-18T08:31:16.275-04:002012-06-18T08:31:16.275-04:00Wow, Lae, I am not sure how to even begin to respo...Wow, Lae, I am not sure how to even begin to respond to an argument that is so convoluted and confused<br /><br />First of all, while all women DO have a brain, clearly many do not use it in the most healthy way (nor do all men). Hence they DO become victims of others by way of their foolish choices. We empower them to make better choices by education, something you recognize DOES exist. Religion, art, and education are all part of culture and all of culture educates and influences the people in society. The Bible is a book that was written by people and it influences how people think; textbooks are written by people and they influence how people think; other books and movies and even my post influence how people think. Hence, FSoG also has the power to influence how people think, both women and men. And considering how the whole book is about women giving up their power to men by allowing themselves to be oppressed and controlled by them while believing in a fairy tale ending. THIS does not empower women; it gets them killed. Ask all the women in real life who already have made this mistake.Pat Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15667909509324138003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-35317413621930752342012-06-18T07:32:27.628-04:002012-06-18T07:32:27.628-04:00Art doesn't blind. Religion and poor education...Art doesn't blind. Religion and poor education do. If you are looking to empower women take away religion and give them better education and then let them make up their own mind. Women are people with a brain. Let's quit making them victims and we will better responsible sensible empowered women intent on being successful contributors to society and less on fulfilling some stupid restrictive Mother Theresa role handed down to us by oppressive and controlling men. Let's open women's eyes and we will be truly free.Lae Moniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02716632686309720778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-75939356802288910032012-06-17T13:33:58.475-04:002012-06-17T13:33:58.475-04:00Is Sally Quinn supposed to be an intellectual? Wow...Is Sally Quinn supposed to be an intellectual? Wow! What an idiot! It frightens me to the core to think even one woman will believe her bs. <br /><br />I have had no desire to read the books, but I do appreciate you, Pat, for reading them and being the first woman to give intelligent and truthful commentary on them. As a victim of a serial rapist, old Christian seems to epitomize every "man" I have feared for the last 20 years. He's the "man" I've had to teach my 17 year old daughter to look out for and fear. <br /><br />For anyone to think these books and these characters are empowering women is an atrocity. My damn dog is smarter than that. For the record, I know it's fiction and I haven't said it needed to be banned, nor has Pat. She is simply wondering why women are embracing these books which are taking us back many years and why so many women think it's cool to accept them. <br /><br />I completely agree with you. If Christian worked at PetSmart, he would be feared and locked up. <br /><br />Keep empowering and educating women! You're an inspiration.<br /><br />TraceyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-13506238629201205082012-06-16T20:57:16.281-04:002012-06-16T20:57:16.281-04:00Apparently, Quinn thinks that Ana's mother who...Apparently, Quinn thinks that Ana's mother who gave who her this horrible advice - ignore the warnings going off in your brain and just leap without looking - is equivalent of giving over power to God. So, thank you, Ms. Quinn, for telling women to just take chances on relationships with men, because, ya know, they are like giving oneself up to God and hoping it all works out; since God has a plan for us, surely that man will have a plan for, too, like never letting you leave his basement again.<br /><br />And, of course, we should always base our decisions on the one lucky person who found "happiness" with her narcissist, not the 999 others who got abused or killed by that psycho man they took a chance on.Pat Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15667909509324138003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-44952061814470946002012-06-16T20:51:32.806-04:002012-06-16T20:51:32.806-04:00I think I am going to throw up. Sally Quinn, suppo...I think I am going to throw up. Sally Quinn, supposed intellectual, just equated Ana with Mother Teresa.<br /><br />http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-faith/post/fifty-shades-of-god/2012/06/14/gJQAg6fccV_blog.html<br /><br />Seriously? WTF is wrong with Quinn and others like her who see great meaning in shitty, degrading and badly written porn?Pat Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15667909509324138003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-6154697349628522322012-06-16T20:42:36.104-04:002012-06-16T20:42:36.104-04:00Did you see Sally Quinn's article in the W.Pos...Did you see Sally Quinn's article in the W.Post today? She calls it religious! I was at a women's weekend and my friends were reading it aloud to one another, making fun of how poorly it was written -- content never came up. The Catholic church banned it -- of course increasing sales. Quinn's interpretation is interesting of course, but I doubt I'll read it -- too many good books out there (including this one called "Only the Truth" that I've heard about), besides, at the risk of disclosing too much about myself, I find "erotic sado-masochism" an oxymoron!Queen Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02534845039850729678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-28213439289556016252012-06-16T15:37:09.344-04:002012-06-16T15:37:09.344-04:00You misunderstand the post. Fifty Shades of Grey i...You misunderstand the post. Fifty Shades of Grey is about women enjoying sadism and manipulation and the excitement of playing with fire, hooking up with psychologically dangerous men and thinking they can fix them. It is NOT opening women's eyes; it is blinding them. What I wrote here is a take off on what Fifty Shades of Grey SHOULD have had for its final chapter.Pat Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15667909509324138003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-25544044013580316682012-06-16T15:32:55.301-04:002012-06-16T15:32:55.301-04:00As much as I'd like to agree with what WiCI, I...As much as I'd like to agree with what WiCI, I can't really see the point of this admonishing note. To forbid a book doesn't change the way people feel, think and act. I had no idea what 50 Shades of Grey was about until I read this article, but if that's what it is about then I'm glad is having the success is having and opening women's eyes to the men's gibberish. Forbidding art isn't a step to a better society, education in self-respect and self-worth is. And frankly, if we really want abolish something to make society better, let's abolish religion, that's what really ties some women to the ugliness of some men.Lae Moniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02716632686309720778noreply@blogger.com