tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post4725403545492643879..comments2024-03-17T03:28:15.499-04:00Comments on Women in Crime Ink: Learning from Caylee?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-49887932818626919412009-01-30T14:07:00.000-05:002009-01-30T14:07:00.000-05:00Assuming Casey is guilty (and I believe she is) an...Assuming Casey is guilty (and I believe she is) and assuming she has Borderline and Narcissistic Personality Disorder as well as Sociopathic tendencies, as some articles have suggested (I believe she does), I do not find it hard to believe at all that people would say they saw a 'good mother' in Casey. People with BPD/NPD have a 'public' persona that can be sweet, endearing, admirable and at the same time have a 'private' persona that is abusive, manipulative, controlling and neglectful. I know because I have such a parent. I was abused mentally, emotionally and physically for years at the hand of mother. When I told relatives of this abuse they didn't believe me because I was just a child and my mother (public persona) was a 'wonderful' woman. Caylee was just 4 years old and likely didn't have the words yet to describe the abuse (I believe there was abuse/neglect) but Cindy and George are adults. They would have witness Casey's 'private' persona first hand as she lived with them. I also see BPD/NPD traits in Cindy. When authorities begin to unravel Casey's mental illnesses they will see a direct connection to Cindy's. Also worth noting is that close family members are taught/conditioned/manipulated into defending the abusive person. To 'out' them as abusive would crumble the family structure that the abusive one relies upon. The abusive family dynamic is an ongoing cycle of abuses dependent on enmeshed co-dependents, and vice versa. Often the abuse after disclosure is worse than it was before. This just a couple of the reasons why abused children/family members are hesitant to turn in their abusers/parents. For those of you who are writing articles and or books I highly suggest you look into BPD/NPD as it will enlighten you as to how such a 'good mother' can murder her child. One of the best resources is www.bpdfamily.com, in particular the message board postings of adult children of BPD parents. ThankyouAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-30355248663093425532009-01-21T21:41:00.000-05:002009-01-21T21:41:00.000-05:00The Anthonys are very much in denial about everyth...The Anthonys are very much in denial about everything about their daughter. If Casey was not working during all or most of Caylee's life, who paid for any doctors visits for her (shots, regular checkups etc)? Someone who is pretending to work but isn't can't care for a child materially. If the parents never questioned any of this, no force on earth could have made them question anything about their daughter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-58380205346310998732009-01-09T18:18:00.000-05:002009-01-09T18:18:00.000-05:00All very interesting points, MarieBernadette. Some...All very interesting points, MarieBernadette. Some I didn't know, since I've been simply following the case in the headlines. I guess we'll have to hang in there and see what comes up at the trial.Kathryn Caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04469242532804571817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-11447230598921636982009-01-09T17:27:00.000-05:002009-01-09T17:27:00.000-05:00I am so sad for what Jan and her family are going ...I am so sad for what Jan and her family are going through. My prayers are with all of them. <BR/>Kathryn, I wholeheartedly agree with you about Casey Anthony. A sociopath can be whoever they want,whenever they want when it comes to outsiders, but when it comes to family, that fiercely protected image will eventually shatter. <BR/>The fact that Cindy used the threat about calling cps while making the 911 call tells me that it was not the first time. She routinely held it over Casey that she was not a good mother(as Casey divulged to Lee)as a means of control. If Jesse Grund is to be believed, Cindy also called herself mommy with Caylee in front of Casey. <BR/>I think Casey was jealous with having been replaced as the "family sweetheart" by Caylee.<BR/>Casey herself has said that she is a spiteful bitch. I think that during the fight with Cindy over Great Grandma's stolen money, Cindy once again told Casey she was going to go for full custody of Caylee and Casey just blew. <BR/>Casey decided then and there that Cindy would never get Caylee.dani MarieBernadettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00237180227634647285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-85966900855902218292009-01-07T21:01:00.000-05:002009-01-07T21:01:00.000-05:00I am so sincerely sorry, Jan. I truly am. Tragedie...I am so sincerely sorry, Jan. I truly am. Tragedies like this are impossible, yet they happen. I don't know that we ever truly understand why.Kathryn Caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04469242532804571817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-68075438109561108512009-01-07T19:29:00.000-05:002009-01-07T19:29:00.000-05:00She is their daughter. They visit her, but she do...She is their daughter. They visit her, but she doesn't really talk to them. They keep asking ME what happened. I think their latest theory is that there was a demon infesting the home. (This is a very real thing in Chinese culture.) They loved the little boys as I did, and in a way have lost their daughter as surely as I have lost my son. So, we all wait and wait and wait, hoping that when the trial finally starts we will finally know a little more about what happened that night. (Not understand - I don't think that is possible.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-67639548943089553042009-01-06T17:20:00.000-05:002009-01-06T17:20:00.000-05:00Incredible. I do wonder what her parents saw. I ca...Incredible. I do wonder what her parents saw. I can understand that she'd be on guard around you, putting up a front, but that's harder to maintain long term. Are they continuing to support her? <BR/><BR/>Again, I am truly, truly sorry for your loss.Kathryn Caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04469242532804571817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-37242802473883835232009-01-06T17:02:00.000-05:002009-01-06T17:02:00.000-05:00There were times that I thought that she was a bit...There were times that I thought that she was a bit impatient, but I usually saw her right when she got home from work. Everyone can seem a little tense or irritable right when they get home and are trying to unwind from a day at work. I thought that she was insecure and a tiny bit selfish, and I sometimes felt she didn't have the same deep feelings for my son that he had for her. However, that is often the case in marriage, and I thought that perhaps some things could be put down to cultural differences. (Or to mother-in-law/daughter-in-law differences). She broke things in anger once or twice, but, again, some people do. Violent or abusive to the boys? Never. Impatient sometimes, but what mother isn't, especially with active 7 and 3 year old boys? Certainly all within the bounds of "normal".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-84855307217141475222009-01-06T10:40:00.000-05:002009-01-06T10:40:00.000-05:00So very sorry, Jan. My sympathies and good wishes ...So very sorry, Jan. My sympathies and good wishes go out to you. I can't imagine the heartache you've endured. While I understand that you would have stepped in if you'd seen any indication of what your dil was capable of, I'm wondering if you saw other things in her that alarmed you? Or did she appear to be a good wife, and, as friends and family describe Casey Anthony, "a good mother?"Kathryn Caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04469242532804571817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-83083128755099367802009-01-06T00:27:00.000-05:002009-01-06T00:27:00.000-05:00My sad experience is that a monster can be very su...My sad experience is that a monster can be very successful at hiding behind a smiling face. And no, it would never occur to someone that a mother would suddenly kill her own children. Why would you have that thought about someone? It never enters your mind. My 27-year-old son and both of his little boys were murdered last year, and his wife, the mother of the little guys, is being held for 3 counts of murder with special circumstances. People are constantly asking me if I had any indication that she would suddenly kill them all in their sleep. Of course not! That's crazy. Who would think along those lines? If I had, don't you think I would have done something to help? Wouldn't her own family or her close friends? Wouldn't strangers for that matter? Believe me, I've spent many sleepless hours racking my memory for a word or a look or something that I could point at to say "Ah, yes, there was something wrong there." No. Nothing. The disguise was complete. The mask never slipped even once. Not to me. Not to her parents and siblings. Not even to her closest friends. We look back and second guess, and wonder if any of our life with her was real. It is the ultimate betrayal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-11054018675475357362009-01-05T20:11:00.000-05:002009-01-05T20:11:00.000-05:00I bet they did see something, like her mistreating...I bet they did see something, like her mistreating the girl or something, you know. And they could have done something. Ms. Cassey is right, in that they had a responsibility to Caylee. They were her grandparents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-90414490549376144422009-01-05T16:44:00.000-05:002009-01-05T16:44:00.000-05:00Even if there is a history and people could forsee...Even if there is a history and people could forsee Casey mudering Caylee, what could be done about it? In our society, nothing unless there was something tangible to substantiate it. There aren't many people qualified to make that determination about a person, aside from a professional. Cindy and George certanily couldn't be obejective enough to do so. If they are feeling any guilt about what has happened, I doubt they will ever admit it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-50496736806481982009-01-05T15:54:00.000-05:002009-01-05T15:54:00.000-05:00Very good!Very good!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-47375563822146609812009-01-05T11:59:00.000-05:002009-01-05T11:59:00.000-05:00I think our over riding wish that someone we know ...I think our over riding wish that someone we know could not do something like this is also a factor here. How many of us want to admit or even think that a person we know even slightly would kill their own child? <BR/><BR/>I think many of us tend to deny or make excuses for things we see because the truth might be to over whelming to actually acknowledge. <BR/><BR/>There is also just true evil in the world. I just read a news article about a father who murdered his 2 year old son because he didn't want to pay child support. He then tried to blame it on an "unknown abductor"<BR/><BR/>I am sure he has friends and people who love him also. Who would want to believe they know someone like that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-59428967730189012582009-01-05T11:38:00.000-05:002009-01-05T11:38:00.000-05:00Thank you, Helen, for the honor! It's much appreci...Thank you, Helen, for the honor! It's much appreciated.<BR/><BR/>I agree that it's often difficult to see all the facets of an individual, even one we know well. Based on twenty years of crime reporting, however, I do suspect that there were folks out there close to Casey who knew who she was and that she was capable of violence (assuming prosecutors are correct, which is, again, still unproven).<BR/><BR/>When I work on a book, I spend months researching the pasts of those involved. I've never covered a case where when I dig I haven't found that there is a history to back up what happened. Diane Fanning is working on a book on the Anthony case. Perhaps she'll have more answers for us.Kathryn Caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04469242532804571817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-33577245334784319052009-01-05T10:06:00.000-05:002009-01-05T10:06:00.000-05:00Many people have more than one facet to their pers...Many people have more than one facet to their personality and you see only what they want you to see. Also, I believe all human beings are capable of many things. It merely takes the precise circumstances to cause an action. Even if everyone knew Casey was capable of murder, DHR couldn't do anything without a cause and even then, there is a process and procedure that have to be followed, which takes time. It is very hard for any parent to believe or even forsee their child murdering their grandchild, even given all the criminal activities Casey committed. There are many parents out there who steal, commit fraud, etc, but that isn't a reflection of their parenting. And, unfortunately, we don't have a crystal ball to predict what the future holds. Sadly, this isn't the last time we will see something like this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316617410436977874.post-64035484039178881732009-01-05T09:48:00.000-05:002009-01-05T09:48:00.000-05:00It is very hard for people to believe that one per...It is very hard for people to believe that one person could kill another - and certainly difficult to comprehend that a mother could kill a child. If you were a friend of Casey's and saw only the wonderful mother in her, you would now have to be asking yourself, what happened to her? How could I have not seen it? Is it possible she was so totally a different person than what I knew? And, ultimately, what is wrong with me that I didn't see the evil?<BR/><BR/>Thank you for this informative and well thought out post. This is why I keep coming back to Women in Crime Ink. I learn and feel something each visit. It's also why I'm passing on to Women in Crime Ink the Premio Dardos Award. You can read about the award at: http://straightfromhel.blogspot.com/Helen Gingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09794759602654727110noreply@blogger.com